Need help finding the right video production software
My original Post (without the mods changes):
The moved to discussion topic: https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/88486/discussion-on-answer-by-kite-need-help-finding-the-right-video-production-softwa
I posted an answer to the OP's question on Jan 8th. Yesterday I received a response and downvote from a user.
****Facts of the case:****
I chose to flag the response, I chose to debate with the user. When the mod reviewed they sided with the user, censored my posting, left the downvote, and the user then left a very long posting repeating the information previously debated.
****I wish to prove that:****
1. The actions of the mod require some correction
2. The actions of the user were wrong.
My posted answer:
The OP was asking for a video editor that does 3 things specifically. The top comments had recommended Davinci Resolve at the time but no definitive answer-posting was given on one of the points: the resolution they wanted being supported.
I knew blender vse was able to perform the 3 functions requested. So I wrote an answer outlining that it was an option. As a followup I thought I'd outline the shortcomings of the program as it functions differently than others. I thought to include this given the OP seemed to want to use the program for other things as well, plus in general no-one wants to learn a video editor just to use it for those 3 specific things.
I also had experience using DaVinci Resolve. Many things I expected to be included by default, like choosing any fps, we're not included in the software and I found such omissions and the ui's assembly line (go from 1 fullscreen tab to the next and don't look back) nature, compared to other editors to be limiting. (If you don't agree with that consider: correct me if I'm wrong but compared to a program like blender where it lets you write your own scripts and rewrite the entire program if you so choose...resolve can infact be described as limiting, no?) So I labelled it as limiting and decided to outline that they should confirm that it does infact support the needed resolution, incase some of the comments were assumptions that it did. (I think that's fair that people might assume any resolution would be supported by any well-used program especially. As well it was made as a comment and not an answer post, and comment posts in my experience are generally done with less precision than answer posts. And given my history with the program and how it makes you work within presets in certain regards, i thought it fair to raise a flag of caution...because preset resolutions is fairly common)
A few weeks after posting, I received a downvote and response from another user as outlined above. They labelled the information I gave on resolve as "flat wrong". They compared DaVinci Resolve to aftereffects as well. My understanding given the wordchoice and their postings above was that they use DaVinci Resolve and are responding out of software loyalty rather than logical discussion and debate. Nothing I stated to my knowledge was wrong in my answer, and they had not provided anything other than their own confirmation that the resolution issue was supported by resolve (I never stated it wasn't). Because of this I saw the downvote action as unjustified. Normally I would simply adjust my answer to include the definitive that Resolve does support the resolution (since they seem like a seasoned user), but given the information above, my experience with the program, the way they responded by comparing the program out of the blue to aftereffects, how they downvoted my comment when nothing was logically incorrect, and called it "flat" wrong (I don't think wrong needs an adjective)...I decided to flag the post for a moderator rather than take action.
Summary of my interpretation at the time:
1. I felt they had improperly downvoted my comment because I said negative things about the program he seems to use and advocate for on a regular basis (looking above). Their wordchoice (adding an adjective to the word wrong?). And bringing a completely different program into the discussion, aftereffects, made me feel there was bias.
2. Nothing I said was logically incorrect, yet he had labelled it all as logically incorrect. So I thought it easy to debate with him on those points. I also agree that I didn't cover the reasoning for the claims that it is limiting in enough detail (it was meant as an aside to the top comments and information to provide a word of caution). So I thought to bring that information to the table to cleanup the misunderstanding.
3. My posting wasn't absolute. I threw criticism at my recommendation, blender, to outline my experience with it and the limitations 'I believed' were worth noting should they use it for extended use. I felt it was appropriate to include the criticism though given the OP's wordchoice and request, being inpart one that requests a subjective opinion of what program to use. I put the information about DaVinci in less detail so I agree its fair to open it up for discussion in more detail as to the specific reasons. So it was appropriate to open any part of it up for discussion where I could provide further evidence to support the claims if needed. The posting about Davinci was meant as a caution to be considered with the information already posted about it to date in the thread. I had actually written the specifics, but realizing the length deleted them in the original answer posting.
Based on considering all this once more I thought it fair to respond to their claims, and try resolving this on my own. If I truly believed there was nothing logically wrong, then providing more information seemed like the better answer.
So I debated with them. They then labelled my debate as a rant. They labelled my original answer as a rant. They misconstrued the OP's question. They continued to speak out about resolve as an "industry standard" and "fully functional". Yet looking above at their comments made on the OP they clearly labeled it as "almost fully functional" in the same thread (I see they went back and edited those old postings conveniently yesterday after we debated so they no longer contain that information...).
I was going to go through the points, but its best just to read it, as me stating the same thing over isn't going to change anything. Everytime I made a point they either dismissed it, ignored it, changed the conversation, or labelled the discussion as a rant. This happens 3 times as you can see.
After the third time: They came back. Moved the topic to chat, and made their comment as to why: "Resolve can handle custom resolution just fine. The rest of the issues have been moved to chat." This is fair, they have every right to do this. And this is conjecture on my behalf, but they came back after reading what I wrote...moved it...and then suddenly chose to not continue the conversation...? It was only many hours later that after the mod sides with them that they write a huge blurb repeating their stance without debating any of the 3 points I had proven to date. ????? Something is fishy here.
To date I see no difference between the actions taken by the user and someone who is simply blindly supporting the program and censoring information and opinions that run contrary to their worldviews.
Perhaps that is harsh and conjecture, but consider the following:
What would you do if you were trying to censor information about you DaVinci resolve that painted it in a bad light? Wouldn't you agree that if that was their goal, then everything they did achieved that censorship perfectly in the end? If the user was altruistic in their intentions it makes very little sense for them to have acted in the manner they did.
I believe the mod, should at bare minimum remove the user's downvote. I would also request that I simply be allowed to restate/include my original statements with the extra information as to why. I realize these are infact included in the debate we had, whether the user recognizes it or not, but in the current state my points while still proven in the debate we had are effectively buried and censored.
I still don't see any justification for it to be downvoted to begin with, especially by the user who is debating me in the manner that he is. There is little chance they made the downvote for the proper reasons if there were any, given the way they have responded to date.
Atm the post is left in a state where blender vse is seen as a bad option for no reason. That makes no sense. In seeking to dispel bias against one program you bring it on another? That's unfair. That's wrong.
If the user-base disagrees with me and feels this was appropriate for the mod and user. I would like to draw attention to the fact that this is technically an avenue for people to induce censorship and abuse their power to settle personal qualms. For example I see no difference between the actions taken by the user and mod, than if for example they were best friends trying to censor negative feedback and/or settle personal qualms in a biased manner (that was just one extreme theory to illustrate). I feel the timing and the covering of tracks and the editing is all to convenient to ignore. It seems a bit much to just label this all as conjecture.
I would also request advice on how I should have handled the situation differently to avoid this in the future. Given the nature of the OP some opinion is necessary to answer properly, and opinion is always open for debate. But there should be a way to debate without people downvoting and attacking my person, where for my part I can correct and improve my answers based on the information debated without ire.